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3:05 p.m. - 2001-08-02 dshlm5: Hey Vinh dshlm5: Nice buddy icon VNL9: Thanks dshlm5: suits the weather today VNL9: hehe VNL9: Good day for you? dshlm5: Yeah VNL9: Are you at home or work? dshlm5: How are you doing? dshlm5: At work VNL9: Oh.. VNL9: Hehe there is nothing to do at home these days..i should go out tomorrow or something dshlm5: yeah that would be a good idea dshlm5: to get out VNL9: yeah dshlm5: what are you going to do VNL9: practice today dshlm5: violin? VNL9: I cleaned the house sweep the floor... dshlm5: violin? VNL9: viola dshlm5: oh VNL9: yeah dshlm5: is it easier than violin VNL9: although I am not a music major at all..but I like to work hard VNL9: no...it is the same dshlm5: oh VNL9: yeah.... dshlm5: that's good VNL9: it is dshlm5: I hope you enjoy it dshlm5: though VNL9: i love music VNL9: yes i do enjoy it dshlm5: humans need it dshlm5: most like it VNL9: yes yes VNL9: well not classical music VNL9: :-) dshlm5: oh dshlm5: i was about to ask you that dshlm5: what kind of music do you listen to VNL9: about? VNL9: classical mostly dshlm5: whether you like classical music and what kind VNL9: it is like reading a novel VNL9: well classical and old vietnamese music VNL9: I am very old fashioned VNL9: i like all styles from baroque to romantic ... although I did not work to Modern classical yet dshlm5: especially if the composer is eclectic and doesn't stick to certain keys throughout the entire song VNL9: i m still studying VNL9: yes that calls for mozart dshlm5: yeah dshlm5: what is the flavor of old vietnemese dshlm5: ? VNL9: well old songs about family, war, love, will power, VNL9: they have NICE tunes VNL9: and a lot of poetic language dshlm5: thats what people should listen to instead of the hollow tunes of today's 'modern world' dshlm5: Vietnemese culture is so 'down to earth' as americans put it VNL9: I agree VNL9: Yes it is dshlm5: Are you budhist? VNL9: This is why I do trust people...a lot...but :-( unfortunately people never trust me...because they lost to an american culture dshlm5: yeah VNL9: I am not a Buddhist VNL9: I am an agnostic...I tolerate all religions... dshlm5: trust is something that is not very prevailent these day dshlm5: oh dshlm5: that's good VNL9: I know...I have a hard time finding a love too.. dshlm5: because you can't live looking at something like its the only right when there can always be a wrong to contradict a part of the right and the other way around too VNL9: although I should not think about that YET...but at this age..I like there is someone to understand me and talk to me VNL9: Yeah....trust is not great in this culture dshlm5: Yes, I understand what your are saying dshlm5: these days everyone is so systematical in their ways VNL9: Yes VNL9: Oh well, I wish I can live to be single dshlm5: i don't know if its the computers, the music driving everyone to be zombies of their own inventions VNL9: and support my family instead dshlm5: yeah VNL9: yeah...it is the culture the fickleness in us humans dshlm5: we should learn from animals dshlm5: they are so systematical and much more successful than humans VNL9: yes...in some ways VNL9: we humans are fixed by culture system ideas that we ourselves have to strangle through dshlm5: not systematical in that way but systematical in general VNL9: right dshlm5: yeah dshlm5: but why dshlm5: do you think these cultures started as defense systems for humans in the earlier years VNL9: We should not strangle through..we should move pass easily VNL9: yes... VNL9: culture is a definite set of rules.. VNL9: I have to marry a girl, I have to wear a tie shirt and pant, I have to dress black to funeral, I have to I have to dshlm5: but its like a piece of thread being more and more knotted up until it becomes impossible to find the beginning to untangle the thread a start with a simple string again with less complications VNL9: so that we can maage ourselves that is VNL9: manage VNL9: you are right dshlm5: manage against the tide of what though VNL9: manage against our own ideas and society dshlm5: what is the force that is making humans have to subject themselves to their own rules dshlm5: do you mean others ideas and society VNL9: society and the power of an overall group VNL9: yeah VNL9: I can't wear a dress into the public can I? dshlm5: yes VNL9: I can't kiss a guy can I?...you see these are the things that we "morally" think it is wrong VNL9: but is it really? VNL9: it is culture VNL9: in Turkey, you can kiss a guy and there is no problem dshlm5: but the rules of society have become so laid onto people s psyche that it is becoming 'natural' for some things that's when you hear them saying, "thats just the way things are" things are... VNL9: yes... dshlm5: that's why america is such a horrific land VNL9: naturality comes from mind not nature itself i believe VNL9: It is!! dshlm5: its one of the most confused domains on the planet VNL9: naturalism* VNL9: it is intolerant dshlm5: you mean naturalism from the mind VNL9: hmm were you born here? dshlm5: in america? VNL9: naturalism as in from nature VNL9: yes dshlm5: Yeah VNL9: grow up here? VNL9: hehe dshlm5: in a state called ohio VNL9: Ah I see dshlm5: it is a farming state VNL9: yes dshlm5: very homogenous VNL9: Yes dshlm5: black and white race dshlm5: only VNL9: Oh dear...that is not good dshlm5: no VNL9: I always live in cities... VNL9: I lived in Saigon then Boston VNL9: two major cities VNL9: so I was trained very urbanly dshlm5: Saigon from what country VNL9: not rurally VNL9: Vietnam dshlm5: Oh, VNL9: The fall of Saigon in 1975 vietnam war VNL9: if you recall VNL9: I came here in 1992...I studied here for only 9 years dshlm5: No dshlm5: Oh dshlm5: What was the change like (I'm sure 'tons' of people have asked you this question) VNL9: Yes, it is tough but I manage VNL9: The change was ... tremendous dshlm5: That's what is so horrible VNL9: In the US we are isolated, in Vietnam we are very sopperative VNL9: cooperative* dshlm5: People have created all of these separations and then when one from another land comes to this land it is hard for them VNL9: Yes VNL9: I first met my bully.. dshlm5: You mean the vietnemese people are isolated in america VNL9: No one in Vietnam ever bullied me! VNL9: No no americans are very isolated dshlm5: Why did they bother you? dshlm5: Yeah VNL9: I don't know....they hate the asian race VNL9: I live in a once Irish neighborhood dshlm5: even their living quarters are so isolated aesthetically VNL9: yes yes i agree dshlm5: which is smarter than them VNL9: who is? VNL9: which is? dshlm5: not smart like education smart but wiser dshlm5: vietnemese VNL9: oh.. VNL9: well...we know our communication skill VNL9: americans lack it dshlm5: i didn't know how to say it dshlm5: yeha dshlm5: yeah VNL9: it is okay, I understand you fully VNL9: Wow, I wish I have talked to you more in school. I was so ignorant to talk to no one! VNL9: I was so ignorant...now that I know that you can be a great listener and talker VNL9: My goal is to find people to talk to and share the minds, and in another hand, I study how people think this way and not that way...it is my ..hobby dshlm5: I was waiting in line once at a bus station and their was a family of Asian people standing inline and the bus man called for the bus to Newark and they were frightened because they thought it was going to New York and they were confused that made me so sad and scared; the villanous way america can close in on people who don't fit their frame dshlm5: (American's frame) VNL9: YES VNL9: that makes me sometimes pity and help them a lot dshlm5: yeah VNL9: I break a lot of barrier in the American society dshlm5: Which barriers VNL9: Because this is how to prove myself .. that as a human I have all the intrinsic qualities to succeed dshlm5: Yes VNL9: Well I came here in 1992 with no knowledge of the culture language
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