3:05 p.m. - 2001-08-02
dshlm5: Hey Vinh
dshlm5: Nice buddy icon
dshlm5: suits the weather today
VNL9: Good day for you?
VNL9: Are you at home or work?
dshlm5: How are you doing?
dshlm5: At work
VNL9: Hehe there is nothing to do at home these days..i should go out tomorrow or something
dshlm5: yeah that would be a good idea
dshlm5: to get out
dshlm5: what are you going to do
VNL9: practice today
VNL9: I cleaned the house sweep the floor...
dshlm5: is it easier than violin
VNL9: although I am not a music major at all..but I like to work hard
VNL9: no...it is the same
dshlm5: that's good
VNL9: it is
dshlm5: I hope you enjoy it
VNL9: i love music
VNL9: yes i do enjoy it
dshlm5: humans need it
dshlm5: most like it
VNL9: yes yes
VNL9: well not classical music
dshlm5: i was about to ask you that
dshlm5: what kind of music do you listen to
VNL9: classical mostly
dshlm5: whether you like classical music and what kind
VNL9: it is like reading a novel
VNL9: well classical and old vietnamese music
VNL9: I am very old fashioned
VNL9: i like all styles from baroque to romantic ... although I did not work to Modern classical yet
dshlm5: especially if the composer is eclectic and doesn't stick to certain keys throughout the entire song
VNL9: i m still studying
VNL9: yes that calls for mozart
dshlm5: what is the flavor of old vietnemese
VNL9: well old songs about family, war, love, will power,
VNL9: they have NICE tunes
VNL9: and a lot of poetic language
dshlm5: thats what people should listen to instead of the hollow tunes of today's 'modern world'
dshlm5: Vietnemese culture is so 'down to earth' as americans put it
VNL9: I agree
VNL9: Yes it is
dshlm5: Are you budhist?
VNL9: This is why I do trust people...a lot...but :-( unfortunately people never trust me...because they lost to an american culture
VNL9: I am not a Buddhist
VNL9: I am an agnostic...I tolerate all religions...
dshlm5: trust is something that is not very prevailent these day
dshlm5: that's good
VNL9: I know...I have a hard time finding a love too..
dshlm5: because you can't live looking at something like its the only right when there can always be a wrong to contradict a part of the right and the other way around too
VNL9: although I should not think about that YET...but at this age..I like there is someone to understand me and talk to me
VNL9: Yeah....trust is not great in this culture
dshlm5: Yes, I understand what your are saying
dshlm5: these days everyone is so systematical in their ways
VNL9: Oh well, I wish I can live to be single
dshlm5: i don't know if its the computers, the music driving everyone to be zombies of their own inventions
VNL9: and support my family instead
VNL9: yeah...it is the culture the fickleness in us humans
dshlm5: we should learn from animals
dshlm5: they are so systematical and much more successful than humans
VNL9: yes...in some ways
VNL9: we humans are fixed by culture system ideas that we ourselves have to strangle through
dshlm5: not systematical in that way but systematical in general
dshlm5: but why
dshlm5: do you think these cultures started as defense systems for humans in the earlier years
VNL9: We should not strangle through..we should move pass easily
VNL9: culture is a definite set of rules..
VNL9: I have to marry a girl, I have to wear a tie shirt and pant, I have to dress black to funeral, I have to I have to
dshlm5: but its like a piece of thread being more and more knotted up until it becomes impossible to find the beginning to untangle the thread a start with a simple string again with less complications
VNL9: so that we can maage ourselves that is
VNL9: you are right
dshlm5: manage against the tide of what though
VNL9: manage against our own ideas and society
dshlm5: what is the force that is making humans have to subject themselves to their own rules
dshlm5: do you mean others ideas and society
VNL9: society and the power of an overall group
VNL9: I can't wear a dress into the public can I?
VNL9: I can't kiss a guy can I?...you see these are the things that we "morally" think it is wrong
VNL9: but is it really?
VNL9: it is culture
VNL9: in Turkey, you can kiss a guy and there is no problem
dshlm5: but the rules of society have become so laid onto people s psyche that it is becoming 'natural' for some things that's when you hear them saying, "thats just the way things are" things are...
dshlm5: that's why america is such a horrific land
VNL9: naturality comes from mind not nature itself i believe
VNL9: It is!!
dshlm5: its one of the most confused domains on the planet
VNL9: it is intolerant
dshlm5: you mean naturalism from the mind
VNL9: hmm were you born here?
dshlm5: in america?
VNL9: naturalism as in from nature
VNL9: grow up here?
dshlm5: in a state called ohio
VNL9: Ah I see
dshlm5: it is a farming state
dshlm5: very homogenous
dshlm5: black and white race
VNL9: Oh dear...that is not good
VNL9: I always live in cities...
VNL9: I lived in Saigon then Boston
VNL9: two major cities
VNL9: so I was trained very urbanly
dshlm5: Saigon from what country
VNL9: not rurally
VNL9: The fall of Saigon in 1975 vietnam war
VNL9: if you recall
VNL9: I came here in 1992...I studied here for only 9 years
dshlm5: What was the change like (I'm sure 'tons' of people have asked you this question)
VNL9: Yes, it is tough but I manage
VNL9: The change was ... tremendous
dshlm5: That's what is so horrible
VNL9: In the US we are isolated, in Vietnam we are very sopperative
dshlm5: People have created all of these separations and then when one from another land comes to this land it is hard for them
VNL9: I first met my bully..
dshlm5: You mean the vietnemese people are isolated in america
VNL9: No one in Vietnam ever bullied me!
VNL9: No no americans are very isolated
dshlm5: Why did they bother you?
VNL9: I don't know....they hate the asian race
VNL9: I live in a once Irish neighborhood
dshlm5: even their living quarters are so isolated aesthetically
VNL9: yes yes i agree
dshlm5: which is smarter than them
VNL9: who is?
VNL9: which is?
dshlm5: not smart like education smart but wiser
VNL9: well...we know our communication skill
VNL9: americans lack it
dshlm5: i didn't know how to say it
VNL9: it is okay, I understand you fully
VNL9: Wow, I wish I have talked to you more in school. I was so ignorant to talk to no one!
VNL9: I was so ignorant...now that I know that you can be a great listener and talker
VNL9: My goal is to find people to talk to and share the minds, and in another hand, I study how people think this way and not that way...it is my ..hobby
dshlm5: I was waiting in line once at a bus station and their was a family of Asian people standing inline and the bus man called for the bus to Newark and they were frightened because they thought it was going to New York and they were confused that made me so sad and scared; the villanous way america can close in on people who don't fit their frame
dshlm5: (American's frame)
VNL9: that makes me sometimes pity and help them a lot
VNL9: I break a lot of barrier in the American society
dshlm5: Which barriers
VNL9: Because this is how to prove myself .. that as a human I have all the intrinsic qualities to succeed
VNL9: Well I came here in 1992 with no knowledge of the culture language